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[cryogen4000]

[xistence]

Don't know how deep you are already in DEdit, but here is a possible way:

Define a keyframed path (KeyFramer+ Key(s)), define a PlayerLure Object, define Triggers at start and end of the keyframed Path. Trigger'Start' should bind the player to PlayerLure, set PlayerLure in a way that player will follow, but can rotate freely. Define Keys of the keyframed Path so that PlayerLure will follow along path, facing pathdirection. Trigger'End' should unbind player from PlayerLure. Adapt keyframed path to the path of your conduit. One sidenote : if you use a message to bind the player to the playerlure, use 'activeplayer' not 'player', as 'player' is ment for all player in multiplayer-maps not the one activating the trigger.

I used this for my 'impulstravel'-lines, so that should work.

[TronFAQ]

that is exacully it///but the program would step on and be surfing apon the conduit line***and i know such a thing occurs in tron 2.0 i also have seen the effect in some derez maps///though i am uncertain how to achieve this

There are four approaches one can try, to create the kind of effect you're looking for.

1) Wind volumes.
2) Player lures.
3) Keyframers.
4) A combination of more than one of the above.

I'd say to pull off the kind of effect you really want, you need to go with method number 4. A combination of techniques.

Xistence gave one possible combination that sounds like it will work very well. The only thing I'd perhaps add to that: is to place an invisible platform underneath that the player stands on, which also follows the Keyframer. (I'm not sure if this is necessary. But I'm thinking it will help restrict player movement while still allowing the player to, say, turn upside down while following the path if it goes into a loop.)

Basically, what you you're trying to achieve sounds like that moment in the Primary Docking Port level where Jet rides the "air car" over to the fCon Mobile Server. The air car is like a sled travelling along a path, and Jet is standing on it. Only, in your case, you need to make the sled invisible so it looks like the player is riding the actual path.

also speed***is it possible to set? for example a program would go slow going up a conduit medium speed on a straight and fast going down the conduit#another factor i should point out the neon slip conduits are wrapped around the environment very chaotically and some have large gaps between them so the program has moments of free fall before reconnecting to the conduit (ambitious i know )

Yes, it is possible to do all that, including speeding up and slowing down.

But also a lot of work. You're definitely thinking ambitious there.

[win3k]

Morning chaps

LIke has been said, there are a number of tricks that can be used to achieve what you want. If you haven't already done so, grab a copy of my Airstrike map, which has a number of transit tubes. These were done using wind volumes. Like with pretty much everything, there are pros and cons with each method. For an SP map, keyframers are fine, but if you're thinking MP, you'll hit problems with lag; see, fr'instance, a fairly recent map (sorry, can't remember the name or author) where the author (I *think*) used a keyframer to move a byte which you could shoot. Playing at even a reasonable level of ping (c. 120 m/s) made the thing just about unhittable (but it was fine when played offline).

As always, you'll need to experiment, and experiment some more to finally work out how best to make things work the way you want.

win3k

[cryogen4000]

[xistence]

Just as a recommendation (not ment to frustate or demoralize you): Always start with a concept, and stick to it (so concept first then the work , not vice versa).
For sure, you can add/remove some this and that, but in the end you need a basic path where you should stick with. I see myself as a creative person as well, and it was a hard lesson to learn, to create a 'plan' and work with it instead of doing what comes in my mind. But you just receive better results in a more realistic timeframe.
Otherwise you have the risc to have a good idea never get finished at all (for sure if it is the time which isn't on your side, the best concept can't help ).
About the missing knowledge : you're in good company here, so you possibly get more information about editing/modding this engine (or about other stuff) then elsewhere. We all started somewhere with nothing.

Just keep up the work, your idea sounds very intresting so it seems promising.

[cryogen4000]

[Jizaboz]

OK cryogen4000, what are you so damned ashamed of that you have to go back and edit so many of your posts to say nothing but ? If you afraid of looking a bit stupid, I think you've just kind of shot yourself in the foot

[TronFAQ]

I think cryogen just got frustrated at how difficult it turned out for him to do some of the things he wanted to do. Ironically, though, the day after he gave up is when win3k finished his importer that would have allowed cryogen to continue his work.

That said, I don't really understand why he edited all his posts either. The responses to him don't always make a lot of sense without seeing the questions . . .

[cryogen4000]

OK cryogen4000, what are you so damned ashamed of that you have to go back and edit so many of your posts to say nothing but ? If you afraid of looking a bit stupid, I think you've just kind of shot yourself in the foot

Ok i think i need to defend myself here and justify my actions to ( tronfaq ) and others****firstly im not one bit afraid of looking stupid or ashamed of the work i was doing on tron 2.0 /// i found the lithtech engine awesome to skin for i really enjoyed that aspect of my time using it***though! tronfaq is correct in some of his statements (yeah! difficult not really!) it was just very frustrating not be able to achieve the things i wanted to with tron 2.0 for my needs the lithtech engine was extremely limited given time with it i think i could have made something to resemble my original idea but time is what i dont have in large quantities unfortunately and i dont see it as giving up i really dont like those words.....i tried and thats more than what most people do****as for removing my posts i didnt see the point of leaving posts up about a dead mod>>>if anyone would like to see info/skins/concept art/for the tron 2.0 mod i was making then just email me (easy) also the icon i guess is myself moving to greener pastures to continuing work on various unreal tournament 2004/3 mods (see pics) been using unreal editor for many years by far i have found it to be the best game development editor ever///well for my needs anyway as surreal as they get///and yes finally!! win3k did some fine work on his importer and i am truly grateful for his hard work in trying to help me****though now his hard work will help other modders with more time and those that are not spoilt by unreal editor...................

[TronFAQ]

though! tronfaq is correct in some of his statements (yeah! difficult not really!)

You misunderstand me. I'm not saying you couldn't figure things out, based on the information provided to us by Monolith with the Tron tools.

You wanted to import your geometry into DEdit but couldn't, because you didn't have an importer that worked well. That's the difficulty I was talking about.

What Monolith didn't provide us with, is what makes things difficult. Namely, the lack of a full set of proper tools, lack of map and model samples, and the fact that a fair bit of information in the documentation is just plain wrong or undocumented. The tool set for Tron 2.0's Jupiter is very sloppily put together.

I don't blame you one bit for wanting to use Unreal 2K4 instead. Epic has put together a proper, well-documented SDK that makes it much easier to accomplish what you want to do. (Just too bad Epic has decided to spit on PC gaming as of late, which is where they got their start and wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for PC gamers.)

[cryogen4000]

Just too bad Epic has decided to spit on PC gaming as of late, which is where they got their start and wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for PC gamers

Yes! tronfaq a very valid point///thought to myself currently it makes no difference///epic left a legacy and a awesome modification tool set that will no doubt live on for many more years yet! i remember when tron 2.0 was in the works wishing that it had been under the unreal engine****well! i guess it just gos to show not all dreams come true..

[cryogen4000]

BTW! blender kicks arse works great with UT3/2K4 also..........

http://www.blender.org/

[TRON.dll]

also the icon i guess is myself moving to greener pastures to continuing work on various unreal tournament 2004/3 mods

You are relating something I made to greener pastures.

This is contradicting information.

lol

[cryogen4000]

You are relating something I made to greener pastures.

This is contradicting information.

Ok! TRON.dll your icon is my favorite out of the bunch and like any art im guessing you have placed some type of meaning upon it///and thats totally understandable though all art is up for interpretation and what i find when i look at a painting searching for meaning (for example) will be totally different for another person viewing the same artwork****so besides leaving totally empty spaces when i removed my old posts i maybe unfortunately chose to use your icon///placing my own meaning upon it///what i find strange though is how this action can be perceived as contradicting information